[QUOTE]Originally posted by DriVer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jdsr:
.... I totally agree....this is a BIG joke. DRIVER, If you are going to write what I wrote, dont take it out of context. This is what I wrote. oem tech, I totaly agree. If and I say If this is the only test this is a BIG joke. DRIVER,Did you notice the period{.} after the word agree and then I started a new sentence. Its amazing how someone can turn things around by leaving out or adding words. As far as having a personal vendetta, If you call letting people know about the nhtsa investigation on brake failures and if theirs is related to report it, than yes. Thats not what I would call it but you can call it anything you want. I know where you stand. DRIVER STATED; Personally, I will be patient and I will wait for all the data to be collected before arriving at any type of conclusion. If I were you I would reserve comment and my remarks until all the facts are known. DRIVER, Because of the restrictions of this laptop I cant read what I wrote outloud
to you so I will copy and paste it. JDSR STATED:but before I get out the phone and start making calls and get the pen and paper and start writing letters I will wait and see what are hopefully more tests to come............
I think the key word here is WAIT. I said I would wait and see. I hope this clears up anything you did not understand. Now you have a great day and If I can be of any more help please let me know.

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Seeing reports of some owners having NO brake failures and reports of a few having 2 or even 3 failures leads me to believe hardware (with proper maintenance) may not be the problem.

Possible cause, lack of proper maintenance and/or improper application of the brakes. Also, failure to use the transmission to assist braking of a heavy vehicle.

-Tom

jdsr, My position is clear in that I share what I know as fact and remedy when appropriate. I believe your position is very clear and at times over stated. It is unfortunate that these issues have presented themselves to you however your issues are basically your own. We have not established a direct coloration between what happened to you or what happened to anyone else.

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I have never been one to put a lot of stock in Titles. After 35 years in the computer business I have had to deal with "engineers", college types with PHD's the love to use the handle Doctor, computer types with all kinds of Microsoft titles and so on. Some are really good and some are just plain stupid.... The title doesn't make the man but his work does.

Could those of us who feel that our motorhomes "might" be affected by this have a recommendation of how to proceed based on the current status of the issue? Thank you.

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Originally posted by Bill Davis:
Could those of us who feel that our motorhomes "might" be affected by this have a recommendation of how to proceed based on the current status of the issue? Thank you.

IMO if you are having or have had brake problems and your mh is w20/22/24 you should report it to the nhtsa. the tel # 888-327-4236. you can report by phone or online

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Originally posted by DriVer:


My day job here is to support Workhorse owners. About that, I don't believe that there's any question.

oh theres no doubt who employes you. maybe you just missed all the members who have been asking questions about how and where to report problems with their brakes to nhtsa. Its not my job but if I knew how to put up the link to nhtsa so the members who want to report online could do so, I would. oh, wait a minute. You can do that. Im sure we will app it so I would like to be the first one to thank you in advance. Again, if I can be of any help please let me know.

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Originally posted by oemtech:
.... The title doesn't make the man but his work does.

Dale, Perhaps I'm missing your point however I believe the point is that you have government agents signing a document that has an effect on peoples' safety. Regardless of title these agents signed the document and that makes them legally responsible and likely open to prosecution in the event these proceedings are falsified. Would this not also be your opinion?

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Originally posted by Bill Davis:
Could those of us who feel that our motorhomes "might" be affected by this have a recommendation of how to proceed based on the current status of the issue?

Bill, You can assure that this issue does not adversely impact your vehicle by exploring the recommended options that will reduce or eliminate the possibilities that would present an avenue for failure.

Long or short term environmental conditions and inactivity time during vehicle storage should be considered.

Driving techniques and employment of engine braking adds significant life to braking systems.

An annual one-pump per location bleed typically yields excellent long term results. A 2 year flush cycle will assure excellent longevity and performance.

Lubricating the relay rod per schedule and the caliper slide pins every 2 years would I believe provide good proactive measure.

Replacement of brake pads should be accomplished when indicated.

An effective brake maintenance routine needs to begin from day one of ownership.

In the event that a situation presents itself subsequent to a proactive maintenance routine, a person should seek remedy from a service center while under warranty.

In my opinion, in the event that all the options are exhausted and an owner feels confident that a case regarding documented routine vehicle maintenance can be made, remedy can be sought through appropriate channels including and not limited to government and other legal resources. This would be consistent with any vehicle system.

For the same reasons that we routinely lubricate the chassis and change our oil and filters, brake maintenance is equally important and often overlooked. Some of the reasons I feel are,

Brake maintenance is challenging in that most owners cannot accomplish the service on their own.

The service is often inconvenient due to time constraints and scheduling.

Budgets may not allow for the services to be accomplished in a timely manner.

Brakes are systems that we normally assume have a long trouble-free service life and rightfully so. Unfortunately and regretably what is observed here most often are problem resolution services that are applied to failed components and the reactions of owners who are exposed to those liabilities. One other uncontrolled variable is having recieved incomplete and or questionable service rendered to our vehicles. I don't believe that we have seen testimony from owners who have pursued excellent routine service practices (from day one) that have sustained failures.

Regarding recommendation on how to proceed based on the current status of the issue? Bill there is an EA proceeding. At this time the status is that the issue is in an investigation mode. There aren't any recalls or campaigns at this time concerning brakes other than the 50401-C which was previously announced. This recall does not pretain to you. Should any action need be developed as a result of this investigation I will have any and all pertinent information posted at the top of the forum. I hope this information will assist you in seeking a resolution to the recall if one is so ordered.

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