I am using the HHO generator on my 1995 Ford Ranger right now. I have not made any other other changes other than installing the generator. Once tested if it looks like it will make a difference I will install it on my 2006 Fleetwood with a 6.8l V10 Ford.
I want to test it out first.
Marty

Being that you said you are using it, what results have you seen so far?

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Originally posted by Medic318:
has anyone tried this system on a workhorse 8.1 I was at a sani station the other day and a fellow with an older coach c-class 24ft stated he was gettiin 21+miles per gallon with the system (showed me the installation) I went to the web site but unless you buy the package $97.00 you cannot get a lot of info so if anyone has tried it or know of anyone whom has tried it please let me know the results it sounds interesting but don't know if it would work on a big block engine controlled by a computer maybe you techies would look and give me your impressions

They are using them to generate welding gas and artists seem to be very happy with the results from the cleaner burn. On newer vehicles you may have to modify the return from the exhast sensors as the introduction of the hydrogen may make the computer think things have gotten too lean and hot so it wastes gas trying to cool things down by enriching and injecting more gasoline.

It does take a good amount of electrictity to create a reaction that releases the hydrogen. On an RV you would probably have a better shot at getting this done due to the higher output altinators installed on them. Many cars don't have charging systems with enough amperage to maintain a reaction. You may still have to address keeping the computer from swinging into cool down mode and end up using more instead of less gasoline.

There are some videos of the reaction on the web and there are a number of people that are making these. There are also commercial units being sold for use in laboritories and welding shops. It may however be hard to pick out the sincere ones from the snake oil vendors.

In a couple of other forums I offered 1000 dollars to the first person that could bring me a vehicle made after 1990 with a hydrogen kit that is working and doing all that they claim it is doing for them in saving fuel and running off of water. Not one single person could do that and all quit the forums that I was in. I make the offer here again if you can drive your vehicle to my location with a hydrogen kit on it and the vehicle is newer than 1990 and you are running purely on water I will pay you 1000 dollars.
Yes there are hydrogen cars being test in calif and like I said test.

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and you are running purely on water

Lee,


Unless I've misunderstood these guys who are tinkering with these HHO kits, they aren't asserting that their vehicles are running purely on water. What I understood is that they're interjecting the hydrogen and oxygen extracted from water (HHO) into the engine's air intake and are increasing the gasoline's burn rate, thus improving their mileage. How much of an improvement they're getting seems to vary with who is doing the telling, ranging between a 25% and 60% gain.

Therefore, none of them could possibly meet your challenge and collect the $1,000 offered because you stipulate it must run purely on water, a feat that only the Japanese have claimed to have accomplished last month.

Here's a link to the Japanese story.

If you modified your challenge to include a working HHO kit working as they assert, maybe someone would accept the challenge.

Sadly the HHO kits actually make the vehicle work harder thus burning more gas. So they are not I repeat are not getting a better fuel economy. It takes the alternator to run the converter and to make it work one needs to run the engine at a higher rpm thus not working at all. The kits are a joke as well. But those that are looking at them and even those buying them and trying them are using more fuel but claiming less, are fouling their computerized engines unless they are using a carbureted model from way back when. So technically no one could claim it cuz even the people that created the kits have admitted that there is an increase in engine rpm to run the converters. LOL so the joke is on those that buy them and believe they help.

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Sadly the HHO kits actually make the vehicle work harder thus burning more gas. So they are not I repeat are not getting a better fuel economy. It takes the alternator to run the converter and to make it work one needs to run the engine at a higher rpm thus not working at all. The kits are a joke as well. But those that are looking at them and even those buying them and trying them are using more fuel but claiming less, are fouling their computerized engines unless they are using a carbureted model from way back when. So technically no one could claim it cuz even the people that created the kits have admitted that there is an increase in engine rpm to run the converters. LOL so the joke is on those that buy them and believe they help.

Remember, Flying, Electricity, Radio, TV, were all considered jokes. Someone will figure out how to intergrate this technology with modern engine technology.
As for the power to run the HHO Generator, you could run your Generator (gas)@ about >.7 GPH to provide the power to produce the Hydrogen, taking the strain off the alternator. This would provide a great savings , if you can run your engine on Hydrogen.
The 4 gas plans call for a plate beneath the carburator & control panel to reduce the gas flow and run on hydrogen. The guy that introduce this, is working on a project for the government to develop a system to run an Army Hummer on both gas and hydrogen. He already converted welding operations from gas to hydrogen.
I won't Blow off the possibility of this technology, people are using it in other countries now and I expect it will be modified to meet our demands soon.

I'm reading that most of these HHO generators will draw about 20 amps or so, the tinkerers adjust the amount of potassium hydroxide placed in the water solution to keep the amperage at or below the 20 amps. That amount usually produces the quantity of HHO gas they want.

That amount of amperage (20 amps) is about how much your headlamps use..... not too many folks getting too concerned about the drag on the engine while running with the headlamps turned on so why would there be a high degree of concern with the HHO generator turned on.

I read a paper about this HHO science a few days ago that seemed to be asserting that it's not the actual burning of the hydrogen in the engine that increases the mileage, but it's a reaction with the gasoline vapors caused by the hydrogen that increases the burn efficiency of the gasoline vapor that's already in the cylinders. Hence, the gas vapor burns more efficiently, producing more internal force, increasing the power, thus increasing mileage.

These HHO generators aren't actually creating more energy than it takes to produce, they're setting up a reaction that obtains the extra energy from the gasoline. The amount of hydrogen being created (less than a liter a minute) wouldn't have enough energy in it to do squat. There's a lot of energy wasted in a gallon of gasoline when burned in an internal combustion engine and with that fact rests the opportunity to increase mileage.

I really don't give a hoot whether anyone believes this works or not. It's not my ax to grind. I find it intriguing that through web searches I can find hundreds if not thousands of people who say it actually works. and only a handful of doubting Thomases who swear it's impossible to get more energy out of something than is put in.

Actually, I'm surprised non believers even bother to read a thread such as this one if they're so adamant that this process is scientifically impossible.

well said Richard!
Like you, I wondered why so many people were singing high praises (perhaps thedy didn't want to be the only suckers who bough into this? or is it a pyramid scheme where each one gets a cut from the next person he recruits?)
Then I began looking into the chemical aspects of it and realized that perhaps they ARE generating hydrogen more from the chemical reactions, with the electicity being the catalyst, than just the pure breakdown of water into the basic elements. To produce enough hydrogen to run an engine would take a BUNCH of electricity.
Now, whether or not this is viable in increasing MPG, I will have to wait and see.

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well said Richard!
Like you, I wondered why so many people were singing high praises (perhaps thedy didn't want to be the only suckers who bough into this? or is it a pyramid scheme where each one gets a cut from the next person he recruits?)
Then I began looking into the chemical aspects of it and realized that perhaps they ARE generating hydrogen more from the chemical reactions, with the electicity being the catalyst, than just the pure breakdown of water into the basic elements. To produce enough hydrogen to run an engine would take a BUNCH of electricity.
Now, whether or not this is viable in increasing MPG, I will have to wait and see.

As I currently understand this you wouldn't want to provide enough Browns gas to run a stock gasoline engine anyway as there are to many items that would rust in the cylinder, heads and exhaust system. A minor blend would be all that most gasoline engines would be able to handle without damage from the water vapor generated during combution.

Denny Klein who is from the Tampa Florida area seems to have a viable unit but it is being used mostly in the Scientific and Industrial arena for clean welding and heating.

http://www.hydrogencarsnow.com/blog2/index.php/hydrogen...leage-with-hydrogen/