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dbear

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Originally posted by FatDog:
the twisting is one aspect to offroad movement between the trailer and the TV, but the fully articulating swivel 5'r hitches i've used will partially absorb a few inches of pushing from the trailer.
It seems that the GN would transfer every bit of that push/pull directly to the truck.
I'd like to be able to pull a heavy GN over the same rugged to compare the action betwen the two.


Yeah, I'd like to see that too. I don't have any experience with either type; just relaying info I'd read elsewhere. I do know they make air-ride versions of both varieties.


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(re: horse haulers) ... All that said, their number one advantage over the RV-based units is their ability to carry much heavier payloads. Most RV-based units with separate garage, limit the cargo in that space 2500#, with a total CCC of 4000# or less. I've seen some cargo-based units that have a CCC of close to 10k#, and it doesn't matter where you put it. For me, this point alone is the reason I'm seriously considering one.


Ryan, who posted this thread originally, based his question while owning a Chevy2500.
I've bought 3 new (RV-based) toyhaulers while I owned F350's (esentially the same truck).
That doesn't mean Ryan (or I) can't ever move up to a MDT, but i sure don't see having a liveable toy hauler with a toy carry of 10,000 pds. with a pickup. Thats why i earlier asked ...

"just how much do these things weigh??"

because if we're talkin a heavy horse-hauler behind a 4700 i'd rather look into getting a custom built single unit - a converted long hauler with a connected 30' box with a ramp door on its tail end.
With today's diesel price, i don't see the advantage of owning a seperate MDT and having to hook a GN every time i want to use the rig. Look into a used tractor with a liveable connected box.


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Originally posted by FatDog: Ryan, who posted this thread originally, based his question while owning a Chevy2500.
I've bought 3 new (RV-based) toyhaulers while I owned F350's (esentially the same truck).
That doesn't mean Ryan (or I) can't ever move up to a MDT, but i sure don't see having a liveable toy hauler with a toy carry of 10,000 pds. with a pickup. Thats why i earlier asked ...

"just how much do these things weigh??"

because if we're talkin a heavy horse-hauler behind a 4700 i'd rather look into getting a custom built single unit - a converted long hauler with a connected 30' box with a ramp door on its tail end.
With today's diesel price, i don't see the advantage of owning a seperate MDT and having to hook a GN every time i want to use the rig. Look into a used tractor with a liveable connected box.


Most I've seen range from 15k to 21k GVWR. Some certainly would fall above a 1 ton's capability, or at least, comfort zone. All the ones I've been leaning toward would require, at least in my mind, an MDT minimum.

You make a valid point about MDTs. Most of the converted haulers I've seen, both new and used, are outrageously high cost for what you get. Thought about going the used chassis cab route, but the specs on most I found were only adaquate to move, at best, it's own GVW; forget about pulling an additional 18k-21k.

A used, single axle HDT w/sleeper is already set up to pull twice what I'm looking at without breaking a sweat, and usually for half the money of a MDT.

I got a lot more thinking to do yet on this whole thing.


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Ray,IN

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By design, horse trailers, whether bumper hitch or gooseneck are built lower to the ground to accomodate loading/unloading horses. Lower to the ground means more restriction to where you can pull the trailer.


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By design, horse trailers, whether bumper hitch or gooseneck are built lower to the ground to accomodate loading/unloading horses. Lower to the ground means more restriction to where you can pull the trailer.


Valid point that applies to all cargo-trailer based toyhaulers, not just actual horse trailers, and certainly something to keep in mind.

The deck height on my cargo trailer is around 21". To date, I haven't had any issues, but then again, I'm sure I haven't gone to many of the places that others might.


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Ray,IN

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dbear, my last stock/horse trailer measured 8" from level ground to floor, which was 1" rough lumber on 2" angle floor supports.. Needless to say, I dragged it over many rough spots in it's day; even the hump in gravel roads got graded down sometimes. IdeaI finally re-routed all the wiring overhead, enclosed in heater hose after I tired of replacing it frequently.


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Wow, 8" is beyond low! I haven't measured to the bottom of my trailer, but I'm guessing it's probably around 12-14".


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dbear you are on the right track with a tow vehicle.
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The trailers with LQ are very expensive and can be very heavy. My neighbor has a Bloomer, it is very nice and very expensive for what it is.
 
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